Author Topic: Upper oceans are warming after all  (Read 1242 times)

  • Offline Serious

  • Posts: 14,467
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
Upper oceans are warming after all
on: April 28, 2007, 17:46:02 PM
Quote

Climate-change naysayers pounced on a report last year suggesting that the upper oceans are cooling, not warming. Now it turns out this conclusion was wrong, the result of faulty measurements.

The Argo project was launched in 2000 to record ocean temperature and salinity all over the world, using a network of 3000 floats containing sensory equipment to gather data through the upper 2000 metres of the ocean. Unfortunately, 300 were mis-recording the water pressure, making the floats appear closer to the surface than they really were. Before Argo, ocean temperature was measured using sensors called XBTs that were thrown into the sea, where they slowly sank. These sensors didnt fall as fast as originally assumed. Water is warmer near the surface, so the XBT temperature readings were too high and some Argo readings too low.


So the older ones produced a higher temperature than that actually present and the newer one lower, which combined showed a temperature lowering rather than increasing. Another myth banished...

http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg19426013.300-upper-oceans-are-warming-after-all.html

Re:Upper oceans are warming after all
Reply #1 on: April 28, 2007, 17:55:31 PM
I have no idea why I & this generation are being penalised for previous generations mistakes, so future generations can live better.

buck them

Re:Upper oceans are warming after all
Reply #2 on: April 28, 2007, 18:12:00 PM
Quote from: Eggtastico
I have no idea why I & this generation are being penalised for previous generations mistakes, so future generations can live better.



What? Do you live in a mud hovel in the third world and make your living disassembling computer parts for heavy metals collection giving you a life expectancy of 45?


  • Offline bear

  • Rutabaga
  • Posts: 6,324
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
Upper oceans are warming after all
Reply #3 on: April 28, 2007, 18:22:01 PM
I does not matter if the climate changes are from the sunspots or from carbon oxides or if it was another generations fault or if there is cycles of climate changes.
What matters is if can we do something about it and do we do anything about it. I say we can do something, like lowering the pollution of our air, lowering our energi consimption etc.
It is just stupid to argue about how it came to be when we know it is there. Us the energy to stop a to fast change in the climate instead !

Re:Upper oceans are warming after all
Reply #4 on: April 28, 2007, 18:31:29 PM
Quote from: maximusotter
Quote from: Eggtastico
I have no idea why I & this generation are being penalised for previous generations mistakes, so future generations can live better.



What? Do you live in a mud hovel in the third world and make your living disassembling computer parts for heavy metals collection giving you a life expectancy of 45?



Yes

Upper oceans are warming after all
Reply #5 on: April 28, 2007, 18:32:02 PM
Quote from: bear
I does not matter if the climate changes are from the sunspots or from carbon oxides or if it was another generations fault or if there is cycles of climate changes.
What matters is if can we do something about it and do we do anything about it. I say we can do something, like lowering the pollution of our air, lowering our energi consimption etc.
It is just stupid to argue about how it came to be when we know it is there. Us the energy to stop a to fast change in the climate instead !


Its not our problem. Its future generations problem. Let the deal with it.

  • Offline Serious

  • Posts: 14,467
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
Upper oceans are warming after all
Reply #6 on: April 28, 2007, 18:39:54 PM
Quote from: Eggtastico
Quote from: bear
I does not matter if the climate changes are from the sunspots or from carbon oxides or if it was another generations fault or if there is cycles of climate changes.
What matters is if can we do something about it and do we do anything about it. I say we can do something, like lowering the pollution of our air, lowering our energi consimption etc.
It is just stupid to argue about how it came to be when we know it is there. Us the energy to stop a to fast change in the climate instead !


Its not our problem. Its future generations problem. Let the deal with it.


Its our problem cause you are causing it. As for future generations dealing with it it may end up far worse in a much shorter time period than you think if we do nothing. Fixing it wont be exorbitantly expensive if we do it now, and the technology increase will pay for itself in the future. Doing things like insulating your home is only costly in the short term, it pays for itself in a few years and then you gain money. Same changing light bulbs for more efficient ones. Do those and you will probably pay for your computer use.

  • Offline Dave

  • Posts: 3,467
  • Hero Member
Re:Upper oceans are warming after all
Reply #7 on: April 28, 2007, 18:53:49 PM
tis inevitable anyway - Im all for green/alternative energy but more because Id like our citys to have better air quality rather than having any real concerns that it is a major contributor to global warming. Im also fairly pro nuclear energy. Oil prices are far too volatile and oil exporting nations are not  generally stable and do tend to be run by lunatics.

But if you look back a few thousand years the north sea didnt used to exist and we were connected by land to Scandinavia. It wasnt as though our ancestors were big industrialists, global warming and cooling has been happening for thousands of years and will continue. We are almost certainly in the global warming part of the cycle at the moment but there isnt a lot we can do about it (though I wouldnt want to own any property near sea level over the next few decades).

Recycling is fine, conserving energy is good, driving 4*4s in citys is a bit gay but tbh.. no matter what we do the earth is still going to be warming up. Even if human produced CO2 was the major factor then Britain could go completely green and it would still make feck all difference due to the rate of growth of industry in India and China.


Upper oceans are warming after all
Reply #8 on: April 28, 2007, 19:44:31 PM
Fixing it might not even be possible, what if we pull out all the stops and drop the CO2 emissions and go 100% green but the climate continues to warm? if its not in our control you will have changed people lives (mine for the worse) just on the off chance itll make a difference.

Theres nothing we can do about solar activity and theres data showing the climate is affected by that more than CO2

what he said tbh ^^^

  • Offline Mark

  • Posts: 3,748
  • Hero Member
Re:Upper oceans are warming after all
Reply #9 on: April 28, 2007, 19:57:10 PM
Ive just decatted my car AND ordered a stroker kit and a mofo of a turbo to increase its capacity by 10% - thats to counter my brother and my mate buying fully electric vehicles. (Peugeot partner electric and citroen berlingo electrique)

Upper oceans are warming after all
Reply #10 on: April 28, 2007, 20:56:36 PM
Global warming is a fact, no question of that at all, just think about the weather 10 years ago its nothing like it is at the mo.  Time and again were hearing about how temperature records are being broken, this April is the hottest on record.

We and previous generations have caused it, whether it is a direct increase in temperature because of the chemicals weve pumped out or weve caused the earth to start to adjust itself to find balance we dont know.  

Each one of us has had an affect and will continue to have an affect, one thing is clear for sure we all need to do our part to reduce our emissions.  If we all do our part we can start to either reduce the amount of chemicals that are producing these temperature changes or we will change the point at which the earth has to balance itself meaning less change is needed.

The changes that have already happened might be almost irreversable, to wait for future generations to fix the problem only makes the problem bigger and harder to fix, we need to do this now, not next year or next generation or whenever, now.  The vast majority are just too scared to change their ways.

Upper oceans are warming after all
Reply #11 on: April 28, 2007, 21:06:08 PM
lol hottest on record maybe but not the hottest ever and the climate has been warmer and none of this weather is new, not even the extremes.. theres no hard and fast yes were causing it anywhere. iv only been on the planet 22 years and iv noticed that peoples stories have changed on the situation.. its all BS and theres proof to support me and the scientists that believe as i do.. its not all down to us! The planet has been warming and cooling without us for millennia.. and theres the small problem of the CO2 thats out of our control.. a fair amount is "natural"

  • Offline Dave

  • Posts: 3,467
  • Hero Member
Upper oceans are warming after all
Reply #12 on: April 28, 2007, 21:12:26 PM
Quote from: Russell
We and previous generations have caused it,


there isnt conclusive proof of that at all

Upper oceans are warming after all
Reply #13 on: April 28, 2007, 21:15:28 PM
There is virtual scientific consensus. Only reason to disagree with it comes from a purely political angle or idiocy. Take your pick.

1. Im a knob who politicizes science!
2. Im thick.

Thanks for playing.

Upper oceans are warming after all
Reply #14 on: April 28, 2007, 21:18:34 PM
just watch the "climate change conspiracy" and realise the truth people!

theres a lot that people are assuming and a lot that people are covering up.. theres also a lot of people fighting CO2 that arent all that bothered about climate change and just want to drag us back to the dark ages or want something to moan/fight about

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.