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Why are...
on: October 05, 2009, 10:47:11 AM
apple macs so hard to use?!

I hate college ):

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Reply #1 on: October 05, 2009, 11:19:14 AM
What is hard about them? Macs are bloody easy to use.

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Reply #2 on: October 05, 2009, 11:19:38 AM
Tbh enjoy college whilst it lasts!

At uni I volunteered for random pyschological/computing tests, some of them were tests on computer/human interface type affairs. Most of the dissertation students chose the unoriginal topic of the differences between macs and pcs.

Basically had to do the same task in on bost machines and then answer a few questions etc.

Ive always not really liked macs (understatement) but after having the opportunity to basically do the same thing on both, the lines were blurred. I wouldnt say macs are any more difficult to use than a PC, theyre just different, and sometimes the problem seems that they try to be so different it becomes a bit confusing as to why you have to do something one way when youd find it quicker to do it the way youre used to etc.

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Reply #3 on: October 05, 2009, 11:50:26 AM
Apple Macs are wank tbh.
No space for them in the market.
Just over priced PCs with a Fisher Price OS.

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Reply #4 on: October 05, 2009, 13:14:01 PM
I agree with Nathan. Pointless. Just being different for different sakes.

Plus their development tools are horrible. Xcode and Objective C is 50 years behind everything else.

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Reply #5 on: October 05, 2009, 19:57:23 PM
Because all the computers in my college are macs, and I have to do editing for media and photography on them, its just really confusing. It doesnt help that I dont use photoshop much, but I know the key shortcut things, but its trying to remember to press the wierd key thing instead of ctrl when I wand to copy/cut/paste stuff.
And it took me 10 minutes to work out how to tab things in safari. I was flicking between pages for about an hour before that.
But even if facebook is banned from the computers for all times except lunch, I can still get on here and bitch about the idiocy of apple computers! :D

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Reply #6 on: October 05, 2009, 19:58:59 PM
I was talking to a visual special effects artist who had worked on some big titles (Guitar Hero 5, Pirates of the Caribbean, etc) on the train into London at the weekend - hes a big Mac user naturally - but even he agreed Macs no longer have the edge within any of the creative outlets theyve traditionally had. All the things that used to be best on a Mac you can do with the same software on a Windows PC costing half as much.

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Reply #7 on: October 05, 2009, 20:12:58 PM
Youre going to tell everyone the story of the man on the train arent you? (:

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Reply #8 on: October 05, 2009, 20:22:10 PM
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Apple Macs are wank tbh.
No space for them in the market.
Just over priced PCs with a Fisher Price OS.


Yeah, I hate having a BSD core.
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Reply #9 on: October 05, 2009, 22:31:27 PM
And you paid more for that than a regular PC why?
Its not like you cant get FreeBSD etc for sensibly priced hardware?

Edit.
And despite having a BSD core, Leopard/Snow Leopard are the most insecure OSs on the market today.

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Reply #10 on: October 05, 2009, 22:40:08 PM
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I agree with Nathan. Pointless. Just being different for different sakes.

Plus their development tools are horrible. Xcode and Objective C is 50 years behind everything else.


Sorry Sam but please. If your going to go into the web world. LEARN about the web.
If you think that is what is out there for mac your daft!
Some of the stuff out there now is so much nicer to work on then PC. When something works really well but also looks great with a good interface it is so much more enjoyable to work on.
Hate the system is fine, Price is way over the top I can not agree more...
The only gripes I have are mouse, games, price. In terms of the interface and software there are brilliant stuff out there. The coding software is much nicer then that of the PC and any PC ports just end up with better interfaces when on the mac.

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Reply #11 on: October 05, 2009, 23:17:00 PM
Just to say that I am not JUST having a dig at Sam (I am because he should start learning modern web in my opinion, it will do him good. He will do well if he gets up to speed because he is a great SS Coder). ....
http://sixrevisions.com/design-showcase-inspiration/25-elegant-workstations-for-your-inspiration/

Not just graphic designers there -Most of that all macs..

Some cool office set ups there though.

These guys not only built Ruby on Rails they build all sorts of web apps and software...
http://37signals.com/svn/posts/313-photos-of-37signals-hq

All Macs

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Reply #12 on: October 05, 2009, 23:27:13 PM
Nexus, a bit of friendly advice, and I do genuinely intend it as that, please dont get upset or offended.

You often seem to be rather confused regarding precisely why some people are so acerbic when talking to you on the forums.

Take ten minutes and read over what youve just posted, think about it carefully. I believe illumination will soon be forthcoming.

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Reply #13 on: October 06, 2009, 10:03:21 AM
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And you paid more for that than a regular PC why?
Its not like you cant get FreeBSD etc for sensibly priced hardware?

Edit.
And despite having a BSD core, Leopard/Snow Leopard are the most insecure OSs on the market today.


It was more in response to the "Fisher Price OS" thing, an OS is only as secure as the user lets it be and, in the real world, OSX vulnerabilities are far fewer and less severe than those in Windows.

I paid more because the hardware is better (Im not just talking about the processor & RAM here, my MBP is, literally, hewn from a solid hunk of aluminium), the OS gets out of your way and lets you do more work, the available apps are far superior in the vast majority of cases, the buying experience is better and, frankly, because I can afford it and a couple of hundred quid is an inconsequential amount over the life of a system to have what is, in my experience, a much better workflow.

Also, prior to buying my MBP, I had one of the polycarbonate MacBooks. I bought it for £820 and sold it over a year later for £700. A lot of the price difference is made up in resale value.
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Reply #14 on: October 06, 2009, 10:24:03 AM
I still dont see where the price difference is justified though.  The motherboard is Foxconn/Asus, Processors are Intel, and graphics are Nvidia.  I wouldnt pay the difference for a pretty case.

The latest OSs dont randomise the system addresses like Windows/Linux/Unix meaning that if a hacker wanted to gain access, he knows exactly where to hit the system.  

I think they still rely on security through obscurity, as not many viruses will be written for such a small user base.  If they get a larger userbase, I think they will get a shock.


Apple have overtaken Microsoft as the industry bully.

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