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bear · **Reply #15 on:** November 26, 2007, 20:57:26 PM

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Reply #15 on: November 26, 2007, 20:57:26 PM

The pagans and the vikings never claimed to have CHRISTmas before the CHRISTians but they celebrated blot
(an offering cermony) at midwinter solstice, the christians saw it fit to claim the same time as the birth of jesus to be able to get them to celebrate that instead (even if jesus wasnt born in december ) luckely midsommer is still there to celebrate without any christian involvment.

Sam · **Reply #16 on:** November 26, 2007, 21:27:15 PM

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Reply #16 on: November 26, 2007, 21:27:15 PM

Actually I think Christians celebrate Christmas when they do cos that was when Jesus was born. Im not sure stealing the pagans festival was that important to them. Mostly because paganism is a total load of bollocks.

Goblin · **Reply #17 on:** November 26, 2007, 21:33:03 PM

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Reply #17 on: November 26, 2007, 21:33:03 PM

Its more the misappropriation of the paraphenalia associated with the time and the subsequent persecution of non-Christians and the abhorrence generally levelled at people wanting to celebrate the time in the old way.

To be honest I dont actually care and anyone objecting that the season in any form offends their religious sensibilities can paddle off to hell in a slop bucket. I love Christmas even if I dont believe in what its supposed to be a celebration of.

bear · **Reply #18 on:** November 26, 2007, 22:13:40 PM

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Reply #18 on: November 26, 2007, 22:13:40 PM

http://www.new-life.net/chrtms10.htm

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The Roman Catholic writer Mario Righetti candidly admits that, "to facilitate the acceptance of the faith by the pagan masses, the Church of Rome found it convenient to institute the 25th of December as the feast of the birth of Christ to divert them from the pagan feast, celebrated on the same day in honor of the Invincible Sun Mithras, the conqueror of darkness"

Sam · **Reply #19 on:** November 26, 2007, 22:16:24 PM

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Reply #19 on: November 26, 2007, 22:16:24 PM

Quote from: Goblin

Its more the misappropriation of the paraphenalia associated with the time and the subsequent persecution of non-Christians and the abhorrence generally levelled at people wanting to celebrate the time in the old way.

I dont understand that waffle ?

Quixoticish · **Reply #20 on:** November 26, 2007, 22:18:19 PM

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Reply #20 on: November 26, 2007, 22:18:19 PM

Quote from: Sam

Quote from: Goblin
Its more the misappropriation of the paraphenalia associated with the time and the subsequent persecution of non-Christians and the abhorrence generally levelled at people wanting to celebrate the time in the old way.

I dont understand that waffle ?

Christians stole the Yule/Blot etc holiday (and all of its associated decorations, imagery and paraphernalia) from pagan-folk in an effort to convert the unwashed masses.

bear · **Reply #21 on:** November 26, 2007, 22:18:38 PM

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Reply #21 on: November 26, 2007, 22:18:38 PM

If you ask a christian priest or minister which time of the year he finds important he/she will most likely answer: "easter".

Sam look at my post just above your last one

Serious · **Reply #22 on:** November 26, 2007, 22:20:15 PM

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Reply #22 on: November 26, 2007, 22:20:15 PM

Quote from: Sam

How can pagans claim to have CHRISTmas before CHRISTians. Just because you worshipped the sun god, or wine god, or some god, when it snowed, doesnt give them automatic bragging rights over any other festival at this time.

Its like someone coming to your house, pasting a new door number over the old one, picking the locks and moving in. Its still your house.

Basically the Christians put their holy days onto pagan ones everywhere, harvest festival is another originally pagan festival.

TBH if people followed the proper rules regarding holy days, or holidays as they are now known, you would be getting 364 days off a year by now.

Sam · **Reply #23 on:** November 26, 2007, 22:20:56 PM

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Reply #23 on: November 26, 2007, 22:20:56 PM

So youre saying pagans own any festival during the winter months? Ridiculous.

Lets also take into account paganism itself is a little bit silly.

Quixoticish · **Reply #24 on:** November 26, 2007, 22:24:37 PM

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Reply #24 on: November 26, 2007, 22:24:37 PM

Quote from: Sam

So youre saying pagans own any festival during the winter months? Ridiculous.

Lets also take into account paganism itself is a little bit silly.

Actually far more than just Christmas were pagan festivals, including Easter (hence the name, after the goddess Eostre as recorded by the venerable St Bede). Having Christian holidays on the same dates as there were already pagans celebrating their own festivals made sense because it allowed them to more readily accept the new religion.

Sam · **Reply #25 on:** November 26, 2007, 22:26:25 PM

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Reply #25 on: November 26, 2007, 22:26:25 PM

All I am saying is that the 3 remaininig pagans in the world think they are more important than Christmas. Christmas is after Christs birth and it doesnt really matter when it is, it just happens to be at the same time as your stonehenge festival or something.

Quixoticish · **Reply #26 on:** November 26, 2007, 22:26:58 PM

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Reply #26 on: November 26, 2007, 22:26:58 PM

Quote from: Sam

All I am saying is that the 3 remaininig pagans in the world think they are more important than Christmas. Christmas is after Christs birth and it doesnt really matter when it is, it just happens to be at the same time as your stonehenge festival or something.

Christmas is after Christs birth but he wasnt born then. Its pretty much common knowledge Sam, didnt you get the memo?

Sam · **Reply #27 on:** November 26, 2007, 22:27:54 PM

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Reply #27 on: November 26, 2007, 22:27:54 PM

The time of year is correct, its the year that is wrong. So what is your point ?

Serious · **Reply #28 on:** November 26, 2007, 22:31:06 PM

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Reply #28 on: November 26, 2007, 22:31:06 PM

Quote from: Chris H

Quote from: Sam
So youre saying pagans own any festival during the winter months? Ridiculous.

Lets also take into account paganism itself is a little bit silly.

Actually far more than just Christmas were pagan festivals, including Easter (hence the name, after the goddess Eostre as recorded by the venerable St Bede). Having Christian holidays on the same dates as there were already pagans celebrating their own festivals made sense because it allowed them to more readily accept the new religion.

But then again the Christians have their share of silliness too, just look at the Yankeeland bible belt. And science is just plain ridiculous at times.

Sam · **Reply #29 on:** November 26, 2007, 22:32:04 PM

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Reply #29 on: November 26, 2007, 22:32:04 PM

Quote from: Serious

Quote from: Chris H
Quote from: Sam
So youre saying pagans own any festival during the winter months? Ridiculous.

Lets also take into account paganism itself is a little bit silly.

Actually far more than just Christmas were pagan festivals, including Easter (hence the name, after the goddess Eostre as recorded by the venerable St Bede). Having Christian holidays on the same dates as there were already pagans celebrating their own festivals made sense because it allowed them to more readily accept the new religion.

But then again the Christians have their share of silliness too, just look at the Yankeeland bible belt. And science is just plain ridiculous at times.

Going off topic but if one pagan decides to be a nutter that doesnt mean paganism is nutty right ?

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