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Quote from: Sam

So youre saying pagans own any festival during the winter months? Ridiculous.

Lets also take into account paganism itself is a little bit silly.

Actually far more than just Christmas were pagan festivals, including Easter (hence the name, after the goddess Eostre as recorded by the venerable St Bede). Having Christian holidays on the same dates as there were already pagans celebrating their own festivals made sense because it allowed them to more readily accept the new religion.

But then again the Christians have their share of silliness too, just look at the Yankeeland bible belt. And science is just plain ridiculous at times.

Going off topic but if one pagan decides to be a nutter that doesnt mean paganism is nutty right ?

If one Christian is a nutter does that mean Christianity is nutty? Same with Muslims and Islam, etc.

Quote from: Sam

The time of year is correct, its the year that is wrong. So what is your point ?

His point is it has to be shared now, The Christmas tree is a definite pagan symbol, not Christian. TBH he can call it what he damn well likes for all I care

But no Christian on here ever raised a single argument against it being shared. These two pagans started posting about Christians stealing their festival.

Please lets keep to the facts, lets keep to what people said, lets argue about the debate. Lets not make things up and argue about fictious points or debate what people never even mentioned in the first place in the hope it will re-inforce your point.

I cant be arsed reading all that waffle. But I guess it argues about Jesus being born 10 days either side of Christmas. Big deal. Its basically the same thing, hence my saying time of year not exact day.

If Jesus was born on the 1st of January its hardly a seismic shift in the catholic calendar.

And more importantly, Christmas day is symbolic. It doesnt matter if Jesus was born on the 1st of August. Apart from silly Athesists who want to argue that that somehow makes Christianity somehow pointless.

PS. Someone got Elvis birthday wrong. That makes his contribution to rocknroll irrelevant.

I cant be arsed reading all that waffle. But I guess it argues about Jesus being born 10 days either side of Christmas. Big deal. Its basically the same thing, hence my saying time of year not exact day.

If Jesus was born on the 1st of January its hardly a seismic shift in the catholic calendar.

And more importantly, Christmas day is symbolic. It doesnt matter if Jesus was born on the 1st of August. Apart from silly Athesists who want to argue that that somehow makes Christianity somehow pointless.

PS. Someone got Elvis birthday wrong. That makes his contribution to rocknroll irrelevant.

I am not arguing that it would make Christianity pointless but in the bible you can see that i can not have been in december but rather in august or september.

again a quote from what you call waffle

The Roman Catholic writer Mario Righetti candidly admits that, "to facilitate the acceptance of the faith by the pagan masses, the Church of Rome found it convenient to institute the 25th of December as the feast of the birth of Christ to divert them from the pagan feast, celebrated on the same day in honor of the Invincible Sun Mithras, the conqueror of darkness"  

and at the very end

The purpose of this article is NOT to suggest that we change the day of Christmas or the year of our calendars! It is to give added meaning and insight to our Lords birth, particularly from a Jewish perspective. But shouldnt we celebrate Jesus birthday on the correct day? If it really mattered to Jesus when we celebrate His birth, then He would have made the exact day crystal clear with absolute certainty. What we celebrate is far more important than the day we celebrate it one. For example, in the United States we celebrate Presidents Day in February, but this doesnt mean that all the presidents were born in February.

The essential fact is that God did enflesh Himself in time and space (1 John 4:2). He was born from a woman on a specific day in a specific year, walked among us, died for our sins, was raised from the dead, and ascended into heaven. This is what we celebrate at Christmas: God was (and is) with us!

I cant be arsed reading all that waffle. But I guess it argues about Jesus being born 10 days either side of Christmas. Big deal. Its basically the same thing, hence my saying time of year not exact day.

If Jesus was born on the 1st of January its hardly a seismic shift in the catholic calendar.

And more importantly, Christmas day is symbolic. It doesnt matter if Jesus was born on the 1st of August. Apart from silly Athesists who want to argue that that somehow makes Christianity somehow pointless.

PS. Someone got Elvis birthday wrong. That makes his contribution to rocknroll irrelevant.

They have no idea when he was born. The decision was made a hundreds of years after he died and his birth date had been lost a long time by then. It was most probably around April 1st as we still use that as the beginning of our tax year and that is based on the Roman one which was in use in Israel at the time.

Christ it was a straight forward question with a touch of sarcasm!  

Pagans can sod off to the 21st of December.