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You are lending money to Northern Rock
on: November 02, 2007, 13:06:55 PM
If youre a tax payer of course...

I kind of knew this but hadnt realised the scale of it.

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Figures published just now by the Bank of England indicate that Northern Rock has to date borrowed around £23bn from it.

That is in effect a loan from all of us, since the Treasury is indemnifying the Bank of England for the entirety of the credit extended to the Rock.

What that means is that each of us as a British taxpayer is in effect lending £730 to the battered mortgage-provider.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/


Thats a lot of money per person and only set to rise!  Hope no more go belly up before NR gets taken over/split up.

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So we are talking about total public-sector exposure to the Rock of £40bn - equivalent to around 3 per cent of our entire economy. And that exposure could become much bigger, as other loans to the Rock fall due for repayment.


£30 billion in direct loans from us by christmas (>£950 per person)... His columns an interesting read this week

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Re:You are lending money to Northern Rock
Reply #1 on: November 02, 2007, 13:15:00 PM
Yeah heard on this on Five Live on my way home yesterday, did seem a bit arse about face for us to be loaning the banks money  :lol:

Be a good gesture to the tax payer to allow 50% of that loan to turn into a Northern Rock account or something at some point, once it was stabilised. Cant see that happening though somehow.
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Re:You are lending money to Northern Rock
Reply #2 on: November 02, 2007, 16:39:05 PM
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Yeah heard on this on Five Live on my way home yesterday, did seem a bit arse about face for us to be loaning the banks money  :lol:


you dont know what banks do with your savings then?

basically gamble them on how many grains of sand there are on blackpool beach.

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Re:You are lending money to Northern Rock
Reply #3 on: November 02, 2007, 18:11:56 PM
Is that figure per year, per month, per lifetime ?

Re:You are lending money to Northern Rock
Reply #4 on: November 02, 2007, 18:18:38 PM
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Is that figure per year, per month, per lifetime ?


Current. thats what we are lending today.

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Re:You are lending money to Northern Rock
Reply #5 on: November 02, 2007, 20:03:56 PM
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Is that figure per year, per month, per lifetime ?

per lifetime.  The company owes the bank of england and therefore us 23billion and rising.  split the amount they owe between the tax paying people of the country and voila (more or less)

I just find it a little ironic that were lending Northern Rock money at an incredibly low interest rate and its only way of repaying us is by charging us higher rates of interest on mortgages.  When its maybe a few pounds per person fair enough but as were now approaching £1000 per person its starting to get a little silly.  Id rather the bank of England absorbed the bank tbh.  Maybe all the mortgage customers could get an interest rate on their mortgages that matches the rate were giving Northern Rock :D

Until something changes, theyre borrowing our money at a low rate in order to charge us a high rate when we borrow it back.

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Re:You are lending money to Northern Rock
Reply #6 on: November 03, 2007, 00:38:52 AM
Yeah, why lend it to Northern Rock when you could lend it all to me and SteveF for our planned holidays in South America... :) ;)

Government is getting 1% above so its a reasonable deal, if they dont end up tits up.

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Reply #7 on: November 03, 2007, 01:43:14 AM
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Government is getting 1% above so its a reasonable deal, if they dont end up tits up.

Its funny really - the UK government is in excess of £1 trillion in debt itself.

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Re:You are lending money to Northern Rock
Reply #8 on: November 03, 2007, 17:11:02 PM
The Are you willing to pay for global warming disasters? thread I put up is actually similar to this. Everyone is already paying for global warming disasters anyway, through their taxes and increased insurance premiums. They pay tax in order to pay for flood defences that wouldnt be needed otherwise.

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Re:You are lending money to Northern Rock
Reply #9 on: November 26, 2007, 21:42:02 PM
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I just find it a little ironic that were lending Northern Rock money at an incredibly low interest rate ...


the BoE is(or at least was) lending money at thier penalty rate

so were not doing too badly

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Re:You are lending money to Northern Rock
Reply #10 on: November 26, 2007, 22:08:51 PM
That rates still much lower than the rate were being charged on mortgages in order to repay it. :)

Plus theres no way Virgin etc are buying it without continued government backing.  So while were not doing as badly as giving it away at zero interest were not far from it...

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You are lending money to Northern Rock
Reply #11 on: November 26, 2007, 22:15:30 PM
I dont have a mortgage so I am quite happy for the country to be making a profit on NR.

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You are lending money to Northern Rock
Reply #12 on: November 27, 2007, 06:46:13 AM
So does that mean that NR have to pay us all interest? ;P

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Re:You are lending money to Northern Rock
Reply #13 on: November 27, 2007, 11:10:07 AM
yup they pay us very slightly over base rate so were getting some money back.  Not much tho.

The main problem being that the largest cash bidder (Virgin) is basically offering to inject £11 billion while NR already owe £25 billion+.  Its only worth it to any investor if the BoE extends the loan to the new owners.

When that happens, we change rescuing the bank to loaning Richard Branson £14 billion at almost negligible interest rate to buy a normally profitable company.  You may not have a mortgage but lending Branson 14 billion to buy something that is worth a lot more?  That doesnt sound dodgy to you?

Without the loan from us, noone will buy NR.  The rate of interest paid to the BoE is so low its an awesome deal for the buyer

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Re:You are lending money to Northern Rock
Reply #14 on: November 28, 2007, 03:38:58 AM
Even some Tories are suggesting nationalisation as a possible option.

Personally I wouldnt sell the shares now for so little, if I had any.

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