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Quote from: SeriousYou only feel pain because your brain neurons tell you its there. There are people who can switch it off completely and others who have never felt it. Then painkillers can cause headaches. Your brain has no way of feeling pain directly either. You can also hypnotise people into having a headache. That means all you have is a symptom which might not even exist.

Im going to write some crap and get it all wrong again.

Surprisingly hangovers are one thing which reacts shockingly well to placebos. So if you take a medicine that isnt real, for a condition you think you should have. In short a hangover is as much a psychological condition as a physical one.

QuoteAccording to most experts with a serious interest in the topic, most morning-after medications and emergency measures are no more than placebos, banking heavily on the power of belief and a hefty dose of wishful thinking.

http://www.doitnow.org/pages/156.html - yes I bothered to use yahoo to find some proof.

Before you go on and show yourself up even more, I do know my stuff on this issue, you obviously dont.

Some additional reading for you.

QuoteThe brain in itself is not sensitive to pain, because it lacks nociceptors. Several areas of the head can hurt, including a network of nerves which extend over the scalp and certain nerves in the face, mouth, and throat. The meninges and the blood vessels do have pain perception. Headaches often result from traction to or irritation of the meninges and blood vessels. The membrane surrounding the brain and spinal cord, called the dura mater, is innervated with nociceptors. Stimulation of these dural nociceptors is thought to be involved in producing headaches. Similarly the muscles of the head may be sensitive to pain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headache

Eh? WTF have headaches and the placebo effect got to do with dyslexia?

Show myself up? - youve shown absolutely nothing and havent even bothered to deal with the points Im putting forward about Dyslexia. Instead youve googled an load of off topic sh*t and filled your post up with completely irrelevant points.

Quote from: DaveEh? WTF have headaches and the placebo effect got to do with dyslexia?

Show myself up? - youve shown absolutely nothing and havent even bothered to deal with the points Im putting forward about Dyslexia. Instead youve googled an load of off topic sh*t and filled your post up with completely irrelevant points.

I was completely on topic. So lets run through it.

Quote from: meSaying it doesnt exist though is like saying you dont get headaches because you can take aspirin and other drugs to stop the pain.

^That was what you quoted first, not me. If you hadnt quoted me I wouldnt have bothered replying to you.

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It really doesnt exist in the sense that a headache exists. It is a term that weve applied to people whos personal abilities fit into the crude parameters set. It only exists in this sense because we say it exists.

^Actually there are many kinds of headaches, just like there are many kinds of dyslexia.

Quote from: meYou only feel pain because your brain neurons tell you its there. There are people who can switch it off completely and others who have never felt it. Then painkillers can cause headaches. Your brain has no way of feeling pain directly either. You can also hypnotise people into having a headache. That means all you have is a symptom which might not even exist.

^You said a headache exists, I said it might be a figment of your imagination.

Quote from: youcomplete bollocks - if I go out and get sh*t faced then wake up on a Friday night the condition Im in on Saturday morning is a very real physical condition - the headache is merely a symptom.

Comparing this to dyslexia is, well I dont even know where youre going with this headache argument tbh... its complete nonsense.

^You start insulting me

Also by this point you had lost the plot entirely, I never compared dyslexia to a headache in my previous posts, even though they are comparable in certain aspects. Lets see if I can drive it into your skull by rewording my first statement

Saying Dyslexia does not exist, because it can be treated with educational methods can be compared to saying a headache dont exist because it can be treated with aspirin, or even placebos.

no1 cares

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Youre right, I dont really.

Quote from: SeriousSaying Dyslexia does not exist, because it can be treated with educational methods can be compared to saying a headache dont exist because it can be treated with aspirin, or even placebos.

I think your main problem is that you dont really read what people have posted (the above certainly does not reflect my views on dyslexia). You then go off on a tangent and google a load of crap to prove some random point irrelevant to the thread. I dont really care about headaches, its irrelevant nor am I going to bother making several quotations (Ive got a job and dont sit in my home all day on the internet).

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true - though no doubt hell google some more stuff/selectively quote me 5 times....

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true - though no doubt hell google some more stuff/selectively quote me 5 times....

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As you wish. Didnt need to google though

Serious, you must either be a very angry person labelled with dyslexia or have too much time on your hands.

I almost entirely agree with dave, I think the biggest tragedy of this all is that a lot kids, and their parents, who get labelled as being dyslexic end up pretty much giving up improving their abilities.

Quote from: AdrockI almost entirely agree with dave, I think the biggest tragedy of this all is that a lot kids, and their parents, who get labelled as being dyslexic end up pretty much giving up improving their abilities.

If that was what he had been saying then I would have agreed, labelling anyone with a condition and not trying to cure it or help them around the issue is just a waste. I think I said this myself at least once.

Im not dyslexic, its just sometimes me and Dave start arguing and then neither is actually sure what the hell it was about :shrug: I sometimes think if someone got us started on the cup half full/empty issue, and then sealed us in a room, we might still be arguing months later...