Its perfectly acceptable to laugh when people say things like this....

QuoteHD players are currently averaging half the price of blu-ray.


Who will win? Duh. :rolleyes:

and then end up being completely wrong!

You mean when theyre smug and then wrong ?

Yep.

Over Christmas they sold up to ten to one in favour of blue-ray.

wow really

lol @ Dave - yeah fairs fair you earned your right to gloat on this one!

Quote from: CypherAtm, the only benefit I can see with HD-DVD discs is the cost of manufacturing, now if this directly relates to cheaper retail prices, or what we are paying now for a DVD, then it certainly gets my vote over any benefit BR can offer.

What I dont want to see is a VHS Betamax situation where it didnt take long for one to become virtually extinct., competition is the only way prices will be kept competitve in the early months.

Those were my thoughts at the time.

Is it fair to say there was bugger all noticable price difference on most titles.   The onlt advantage of HD-DVD I saw at the time.  The saving of the HD-DVD would soon add up to be pointless.

At the most on box sets such as planet earth the difference was 5 to 10 quid.

Is it fair to say HD-DVD had the ball in their court with cheaper manufacturing and blew it?

TBH I wasnt expecting it to be over so soon.  Perhaps the movie studios didnt like uncertainty with their income and investments.  I was just about to buy a combi BR/HD-DVD drive to go into a small old shuttle to make a media centre PC.

its a shame the industry seems to have decided this one and not the consumer.
more profit in blu-ray and it sounds snazzyer

Quote from: DEViANCEits a shame the industry seems to have decided this one and not the consumer.
more profit in blu-ray and it sounds snazzyer

My thoughts the same but you have to give credit to the Blu Ray group though as I think they sort of new that HD-DVD would win the consumer war and HD-DVD backed on that but what the Blu Ray group did was target the big companies and distribution companies a hell of a lot more then the other and got all the backing and basically snuffed it out before the consumer was really ever involved. At least here Sony learnt a lesson from the past and good on them

Blu-ray Disc
Media type: High-density optical disc
Encoding: MPEG-2, MPEG-4 AVC (H.264), and VC-1
Capacity: 25 GB (single layer), 50 GB (dual layer)

Read mechanism: 405 nm laser, 1x@36 Mbit/s & 2x@72 Mbit/s & 4x@144 Mbit/s & 12x@432 Mbit/s[1]
Developed by: Blu-ray Disc Association
Usage: Data storage, High-definition video and PlayStation 3 games

HD DVD
Media type: High-density optical disc
Encoding: VC-1, H.264, and MPEG-2
Capacity: 15 GB (single layer) 30 GB (dual layer)
 
Read mechanism: 1x@36 Mbit/s & 2x@72 Mbit/s
Developed by: DVD Forum
Usage: Data storage, including high-definition video


Erm...I dont think theres any suprise really and Im glad Blu-Ray has come out on top. The specs simply speak for themselves. Blu Ray is just in a different class 8-)

Yes the specs did speak for themselves.  There was no question that Blue-Ray was more impressive.

But at the time HD TVs players first started it exclusive to the weight of your wallet.   HD-DVD should have had a massive price advatage when it came to manufacturing and it should have reflected in the high street.  The main benefit of 2 formats was competition.

Neither formatts really sacrificed on price, they hung around the same mark.  HD-DVD has suffered for it.

Quote from: dogbertBlu-ray Disc
Media type: High-density optical disc
Encoding: MPEG-2, MPEG-4 AVC (H.264), and VC-1
Capacity: 25 GB (single layer), 50 GB (dual layer)

Read mechanism: 405 nm laser, 1x@36 Mbit/s & 2x@72 Mbit/s & 4x@144 Mbit/s & 12x@432 Mbit/s[1]
Developed by: Blu-ray Disc Association
Usage: Data storage, High-definition video and PlayStation 3 games

HD DVD
Media type: High-density optical disc
Encoding: VC-1, H.264, and MPEG-2
Capacity: 15 GB (single layer) 30 GB (dual layer)
 
Read mechanism: 1x@36 Mbit/s & 2x@72 Mbit/s
Developed by: DVD Forum
Usage: Data storage, including high-definition video


Erm...I dont think theres any suprise really and Im glad Blu-Ray has come out on top. The specs simply speak for themselves. Blu Ray is just in a different class 8-)

No argument that its far more powerful - your specs speak for themselves. Could be considered overkill though. At the end of the day the brief is to play HD movies and they both do that perfectly so you could argue that your spending more money on blu ray for features your not getting the benefit of. If both were freely available Id take HD DVD everytime because otherwise your paying extra for just paper specs and your into proper geek territory there! Irrelevent now though.

Quote from: Rivkid

Quote from: dogbertBlu-ray Disc
Media type: High-density optical disc
Encoding: MPEG-2, MPEG-4 AVC (H.264), and VC-1
Capacity: 25 GB (single layer), 50 GB (dual layer)

Read mechanism: 405 nm laser, 1x@36 Mbit/s & 2x@72 Mbit/s & 4x@144 Mbit/s & 12x@432 Mbit/s[1]
Developed by: Blu-ray Disc Association
Usage: Data storage, High-definition video and PlayStation 3 games

HD DVD
Media type: High-density optical disc
Encoding: VC-1, H.264, and MPEG-2
Capacity: 15 GB (single layer) 30 GB (dual layer)
 
Read mechanism: 1x@36 Mbit/s & 2x@72 Mbit/s
Developed by: DVD Forum
Usage: Data storage, including high-definition video


Erm...I dont think theres any suprise really and Im glad Blu-Ray has come out on top. The specs simply speak for themselves. Blu Ray is just in a different class 8-)

No argument that its far more powerful - your specs speak for themselves. Could be considered overkill though. At the end of the day the brief is to play HD movies and they both do that perfectly so you could argue that your spending more money on blu ray for features your not getting the benefit of. If both were freely available Id take HD DVD everytime because otherwise your paying extra for just paper specs and your into proper geek territory there! Irrelevent now though.

This was the whole argument most people could not see the blind bit of difference and the same applies with the video games, more storage space yet the games looking the same and as a result of the hardware actually having fps issues on many games on the ps3.
The blu ray media is the better specced but not utilised properly at all yet and the blu ray group do seem very figity in regard to its features and changing it about
hd-dvd was cheaper and that is a bit appeal to the consumer (war never really reached them to decide though) and when you looked at them both there was not much of a difference so why the cost as you say?
That is the downside of blu ray that and the region locking, why cost so much more if your cant do much better over something half as cheap in terms of hardware and cheaper in terms of media?