Quote from: Eggtasticoas for other qualifications..
If I was employing & I had
1: someone experienced & MCSE
2: someone experienced
3: someone with no experience & MCSE
4: someone with no experience (and no qual presumably)

I would chose 2,3,4,1 in that order.

Why would you choose people with no experience or qualifications over someone with experience and the qualifications? Just because theyd want more pay or move on quickly?

If it were me, and you replaced these tech quals with generic industry specific qualifications (machinery operations for conservation, hygene for cooking etc), I would have thought youd want:

2,1,3,4

Reason being a person with no experience or qualifications in the subject is likely to be a numpty and not sure of what they want to do in the long run, and so just as likely to move on as much as someone over qualified (or be fired). Someone with no experience and the qualifications at least shows a desire to be in the industry and a certain level of commitment. No experience might mean theyd stay on, as well as not being able to demand more pay. Someone with experience and no qualifications also shows a desire to be in the industry, and is able to do the job. Lack of qualifications will also mean not having to pay as much potentially. It all depends on the job though, whether you just want it done, or whether you want it done really well. In todays economy Im guessing you can pretty much pick from all of the options.

A person with no no experience and no qualifications who you can train up is always better in an entry level job than a newbie with a MCSE that makes them think they know it all and can mess around with MY active directory and MY email servers without screwing up :rage: There are other reasons.


1&2 are tricky - for me it depends on the job. Entry-mid level in a SMB = 2,1 because 2 are cheaper. Mid-High level in a big company = 1,2.

Quote from: PeteIt depends what its for, but for an avg job Id go 2,1,4,3. Cheers for pointing me at the Oracle stuff matey.

You could used to do one exam online.

Quote from: PeteA person with no no experience and no qualifications who you can train up is always better in an entry level job than a newbie with a MCSE that makes them think they know it all and can mess around with MY active directory and MY email servers without screwing up :rage: There are other reasons.


1&2 are tricky - for me it depends on the job. Entry-mid level in a SMB = 2,1 because 2 are cheaper. Mid-High level in a big company = 1,2.

exactly.. I come across countless people with ms qs who dont know a thing.

Its like the saying.. you learn to drive after you pass your test.

Quote from: PeteI want whatever gives me the highest paying jobs.

What do you personally consider to be a high paying job?

Im not sure. Im not talking crazy money, the other side of 40-50k would be nice in time I guess. If you look at MCSE it tails off fast at around 35-45k. Look at say Xenserver and there are hardly any jobs under 35k, same with CCIE for example. So it makes sense to give a lot of consideration to which path to go down - you cant specialize in everything.

Quote from: Dave

Quote from: PeteI want whatever gives me the highest paying jobs.

What do you personally consider to be a high paying job?

support wise without being any obscure speciality or contracting, then Id agree with pete,  £50k a year would be good imo

Oracle is probably the best paying for a support role.

yup - sounds achievable tbh....

Higher and youd need some smaller specialist area to get into - If youre in London financial software* or market data for example can pay well , especially for contractors.  Im still working for a vendor and am not in the position where I want to contract however I do know a few people who have (inc one guy we basically got rid of as he was useless) and they certainly dont do too badly. 3 years in such a place then stick a profile up on linked in and youll inevitable get several recruiters trying to poach you to work for XYZ bank etc...

*(do a search for say misys, murex, sungard etc... on IT jobswatch)

Figures like these make me wish I hadnt changed from computing to environmental science ><

For higher companies the people you want are 1 or 4. 1 are trained and should know what they are doing. 4 you can train them properly and make sure they can do the job.

2 should come before 3, but many organisations put too much into qualifications and what they often get is monkey see, monkey do people that can end in a horrible disaster.

Real problem is some of the people who are trained and have experience are totally incompetent too, so relying on stated experience or qualifications are both bad. Thats what the interview is for, issue here is that the person interviewing has to know the job or they could hire someone unsuitable.

Best is set up a test setup that acts like the real job and let them go on it. Throw every problem you can think of at them and, if they do it all successfully, give them a short term contract. Long term/promotion depends on results.

k, got my MCSA today, wooo!  

Im thinking do 2008 dba next then that would lead nicely onto Oracle at some point in the distant future, right?

Quote from: Petek, got my MCSA today, wooo!  

Im thinking do 2008 dba next then that would lead nicely onto Oracle at some point in the distant future, right?

Grats

Quote from: Petek, got my MCSA today, wooo!  

Im thinking do 2008 dba next then that would lead nicely onto Oracle at some point in the distant future, right?

grats on passing - is it worth doing the SQL & then the oracle?

maybe jump straight into the deepend?
Here are the oracle certs
http://education.oracle.com/pls/web_prod-plq-dad/db_pages.getpage?page_id=198&p_org_id=&lang=

The first module, the introduction to oracle can be done online
http://education.oracle.com/pls/web_prod-plq-dad/db_pages.getpage?page_id=41&p_exam_id=1Z0_007
$95

Quote from: Daveyup - sounds achievable tbh....

Higher and youd need some smaller specialist area to get into - If youre in London financial software* or market data for example can pay well , especially for contractors.  Im still working for a vendor and am not in the position where I want to contract however I do know a few people who have (inc one guy we basically got rid of as he was useless) and they certainly dont do too badly. 3 years in such a place then stick a profile up on linked in and youll inevitable get several recruiters trying to poach you to work for XYZ bank etc...

*(do a search for say misys, murex, sungard etc... on IT jobswatch)

I need a job in Jan when I move back to UK so get passing my name around

Quote from: Sam

Quote from: Daveyup - sounds achievable tbh....

Higher and youd need some smaller specialist area to get into - If youre in London financial software* or market data for example can pay well , especially for contractors.  Im still working for a vendor and am not in the position where I want to contract however I do know a few people who have (inc one guy we basically got rid of as he was useless) and they certainly dont do too badly. 3 years in such a place then stick a profile up on linked in and youll inevitable get several recruiters trying to poach you to work for XYZ bank etc...

*(do a search for say misys, murex, sungard etc... on IT jobswatch)

I need a job in Jan when I move back to UK so get passing my name around

You looking for FS software or just general software jobs?