Quote from: MarkThere is no implied right to privacy in a public place.

Id tell her where to go.

The people involved have no rights in this as it is on a public street. They are not directly identifiable from the video. If it was the case then any person who happened to be incidentally videoed on a news broadcast would be reaching for the phone to their solicitor.

What it does prove though is that they were in an impossible to avoid accident.*

*except by not driving.

Quote from: Binary ShadowABS doesnt help, you hit the brakes all the wheels lock and the car has no idea its still moving

mine still works ?

first empty icy road I came to I jammed the breaks on to test it out ... I had 3 ton in the back and a full day of deliveries to do so wanted to see how it would handle.... ready for when I had to do it for real !

suprised how well it worked... didnt stop me any quicker, but I still had full control

(2001 iveco daily)

EDIT:

then again, maybe I locked up the front wheels a fraction of a second fasther than the rear... and they locked all of theres at once...

best car I ever drove in the snow was an AX 1.5 diesel.

Skinny tyres and a heavy diesel engine over them. Went piling up hills as SUVs sat spinning all 4 of their wide tyres.

Quote from: Markbest car I ever drove in the snow was an AX 1.5 diesel.

Skinny tyres and a heavy diesel engine over them. Went piling up hills as SUVs sat spinning all 4 of their wide tyres.

Works a charm skinny tyres as possible, I just drove up a hill in wet snow with me old 96 passat TDI
not studded but winter tyres of friction type.

Quote from: zpyderArent you allowed to show vids of people so long as you dont show their face/identifying features?

No one has the legal right to the light that comes off their face in a public place.  Permission is irrelvant.  Hes just embarrassed.

Ive found even on the icy roads just by getting to the biting point at around 600 rpm on my car (idle) then the wheels still spin.

I managed to get out of a little tracky spot the other day too. I was stuck in a sort of gulley and reversing out of it my wheels were just spinning.
The gulley was next to the curb and I was giving my friends a lift to the pub.

The curb was sloped so I drove forward and then back and the momentum just carried us out of the gulley.

I thought Id just share that with you.

Bear, how many sets of tyres do you guys need over there? What if your summer tyres are not used up? Do you just keep them in the garage till the next year?

Quote from: mr_rollIve found even on the icy roads just by getting to the biting point at around 600 rpm on my car (idle) then the wheels still spin.

I managed to get out of a little tracky spot the other day too. I was stuck in a sort of gulley and reversing out of it my wheels were just spinning.
The gulley was next to the curb and I was giving my friends a lift to the pub.

The curb was sloped so I drove forward and then back and the momentum just carried us out of the gulley.

I thought Id just share that with you.

Bear, how many sets of tyres do you guys need over there? What if your summer tyres are not used up? Do you just keep them in the garage till the next year?

Yes in a dark place untill springtime, the winter tyres are on their second year and the summer ones on their 3rd.

Quote from: mr_rollIve found even on the icy roads just by getting to the biting point at around 600 rpm on my car (idle) then the wheels still spin.

you need to stick something heavy in the boot to keep the back end down, I used to use 8x25kg sacks of caustic soda (just because thats what I had handy) and it made a massive difference

all the vans right now have a couple of 45gal drums of water over the back wheels.... handy thing with those is... when you go and load up you can just empty the water out and chuck em ontop of the other stuff in the van

so long as your not pouring 45gal x 2 of water over an already frozen road hehe

Quote from: mr_rollIve found even on the icy roads just by getting to the biting point at around 600 rpm on my car (idle) then the wheels still spin.

I managed to wheelspin my car in 3rd gear doing about 20mph driving normally, no acceleration/deceleration just as I drove over some black ice on one of my local roads. Thankfully it was only a small patch where the sun hadnt melted it.

The following day my mum commented on another bit where she watched someone try to get up the road, which is only like a 5 degree incline, but failing nontheless. I even nearly slid into the road on foot twice on the dropped curbs, youd step on it and start sliding and not know what to do as you couldnt really move any way but towards the road ><

I do think the Mazda 3 handled much better than the micra did though, I wonder what is the biggest factor in stability in the sense of bigger/wider wheels, longer wheel base, or just being a heavier car.

Quote from: Binary Shadowso long as your not pouring 45gal x 2 of water over an already frozen road hehe

Next big freeze Im going to have to pour water over our back patio and turn it into an ice rink

Skinny tyres mine should be 185 but I run 175s in the winter
gonna fit 165s next time, my brother runs 155s

Just look a rally cars, skinny tyres:

Quote from: zpyder

Quote from: mr_rollIve found even on the icy roads just by getting to the biting point at around 600 rpm on my car (idle) then the wheels still spin.

I managed to wheelspin my car in 3rd gear doing about 20mph driving normally, no acceleration/deceleration just as I drove over some black ice on one of my local roads. Thankfully it was only a small patch where the sun hadnt melted it.

The following day my mum commented on another bit where she watched someone try to get up the road, which is only like a 5 degree incline, but failing nontheless. I even nearly slid into the road on foot twice on the dropped curbs, youd step on it and start sliding and not know what to do as you couldnt really move any way but towards the road ><

I do think the Mazda 3 handled much better than the micra did though, I wonder what is the biggest factor in stability in the sense of bigger/wider wheels, longer wheel base, or just being a heavier car.

As bear says above, wider tyres are the worst thing you can have in these conditions. The skinnier the better.

Bear, if you go onto a road which is just tarmac do those studs damage the road?

Or are all the roads you drive on just snow and ice?

The studs on the pics are extreme and for rally only, yes studded tyres does damage the road and gives a dust as dangerous as diesel particles, they talking about banning studded tyres, I drive un-studded winter tyres just softer rubber and threads fit for snow and ice.

What I have, Gislaved softfrost: