I dont think anything else in history can really compare to the massive loss of life that took place during WW1 & WW2. The landings at normandy were a massive event - had they failed then we could well be living very different lives so excuse me if I want to reflect upon the sacrifices made by millions on our behalf throughout WW2 on days such as D-Day and VE day etc... Some of the people involved are still alive today and we ought to be grateful for what they went through back then.

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Yawn.

Neither did the boys of WWII. They were drafted or otherwise required to serve. There were heroic moments of history to be sure, as there was in Sudan yesterday, when a woman went on a trek to get water for her dying diarrheic child.

You all might think Im being a cold dick. What Im doing is serving as the asshole that remind you to not fetishise death. The catastrophic failure of the United States over the last five years is due to that, the fetishisation of 9/11. Remember history, learn from it, and all dead are equal.

Max youve gone off at a left wing tangent here...

where, ANYWHERE, did i say that one life is worth more than another?

I didnt...

I am merely saying that we should remember the lads who died on D-day all those years ago and remember those who died in subsequent campaigns... Just because you dont agree with YOUR countries war in Iraq, under no circumstances do you have the right to have a dig at men who died to liberate Europe; a cheap shot if ever there was one...

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Yawn.

Neither did the boys of WWII. They were drafted or otherwise required to serve. There were heroic moments of history to be sure, as there was in Sudan yesterday, when a woman went on a trek to get water for her dying diarrheic child.

thats not heroic, thats necessity

Quote from: maximusotterNeither did the boys of WWII. They were drafted or otherwise required to serve. There were heroic moments of history to be sure, as there was in Sudan yesterday, when a woman went on a trek to get water for her dying diarrheic child.

aside from the hunderds of thousands of people who stood up for what the believed in and volunteered

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Yawn.

Neither did the boys of WWII. They were drafted or otherwise required to serve. There were heroic moments of history to be sure, as there was in Sudan yesterday, when a woman went on a trek to get water for her dying diarrheic child.

thats not heroic, thats necessity

Necessity is what kept the living D-day boys alive. Kill or be killed.

Big deal. The British have ceremony obsession.

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Many thousands of good men died so you could act like a bellend... remember that, son...

No many millions of men, women and children died because of one f**king nutter and a sh*tload of propaganda.

Its not something to be proud of, it certainly isnt something to be celebrated not remembered/commemorated.

What? the men who died on that day deserved to be remembered, as do all of the people who died, it just so happens D-day was better remembered than most because of the horrific death toll and also its strategic importance...

sorry, sir... ill ask your permission before i make a comment next time...

oh yes, and while im here, who the f**k are you to say that we shouldnt be proud of the men who fell on that day? Theyve done more for the freedom of this country than you or i will ever do... and as brummie said, it wasnt one nutter and propoganda, dont be so naive.

So effectively your saying its better to remember the death of those men, rather than what they achieved. Well done there... Lets all celebrate the mass loss of lives.

What I was saying is that they are remembered... they are remembered on the 11th of november for the peace that they were responsible in bringing to us, and for preserving the freedom they fought for.

What your proclaiming is that we hold a big party to celebrate that our ancestors got shot to sh*te on a beach in a damn foreign land, away from their loved ones.

Because of yes... ONE NUTTER and his propaganda. Granted his party members would need to be nutters also but they arent the ones who decided to go ahead with the war, they were acting under the grand nutter.. the big nutter in the house, the moustache wielding cock that was Hitler. His propaganda and pollution of his nations minds against that of the Jews, Gays, Artists, and other "non-clean" cultures is how he fueled his armies. Hitler Youth again... another method to pollute the minds of the children in his country.

No thanks. I prefer to celebrate and commemorate what they achieved... not the brutal crap they went through.

Oh.. and im available via pm, email or heck just post a thread in here next time you want permission if you feel as if you have to ask me. Cheers.

Can we call this as maximusotter 0 - everyone else 1, and call it a day?

Quote from: maximusotterBig deal. The British have ceremony obsession.

I was mostly following your argument even if I felt the delivery was a tad off until you decided to make the mistake of painting an entire nation with one brush. Dear oh dear.

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mmm

so no fireworks go up your way on 4th of July at all then?

people with very weak connections to ireland dont get drunk and march through new york on st paddys day ?

nah tis just the brits who have ceremony obsession

A ceremony obsession is much better than an energy obsession that is slowly killing the rest of us!

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Not really because you arent the spokesperson for my opinion... let alone "everyone else".

He has some valid points there, granted his "ceremony obcession" line was uncalled for but we are all guilty of painting americans with the same brush so theres no difference between us.

I have great respect for all allied soldiers who landed on the beaches of Normandy that day even more so after I had first watched the landing scene from Saving Private Ryan as it helped me to get a slight glimpse of what it would have been like for them.

They have my respect just for stepping off the landing craft let alone having to fight.

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speak for yourself  

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