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Quote from: NimrodWhat about people who work on bonus ? Where they are given a number of hours to complete a job but if the job takes longer then they are not paid for that excess time ? Are you saying that they should stop working if the job goes over the allotted time ?

Thats a totally different situation.

If you require extra hours to complete a job it becomes overtime. If you finish work early and there are other jobs you could help out with tbh you could show a bit of camaraderie, even if its not enforced. To go beyond that and say people should be allowed to bunk off whenever theyve done their bit is proposterous when there other jobs/coworkers that may need assistance.

Anyone that truly believes that to be good practice I would personally brand a workshy, clockwatching jobsworth.

Gotta disagree. Theyre employed to sort and deliver post to a set area of properties. On one day that might take 9 hours to complete but on another it may only take 4. IIRC they dont get paid OT for the additional 1 hour, they are just expected to complete their round in 8 hours.
They then have the option to go back into the sorting office and work OT doing jobs that they were not employed to do in the first place; other peopes rounds, sorting mail w/e.

Personally if someone can get their job done in 4 hours then good luck to them. If however they were employed to provide 8 hours of general service, completely any and all tasks asked of them, then I would agree that they should be expect to work for 8 hours.

Its only a big old furore as a result of the fact that they know they have been getting away with part time hours for years. Finally, someone has picked up on it and thought "surely this is not how it works for everyone else?"

Indeed. My points wernt restricted to the current accepted practice of RM, just how things are for other people and probably should be for them. They most definitely should be expected to provide general labour to the company IMO. Imagine how much more efficient and better the run the system would be if they all did alloted hours and chipped in where possible?

The whole "my rounds done, f*** the rest of you" attitude stinks. This is peoples important mail were talking about, you cant mess around tbh.

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Quote from: Clockd 0Ne

Quote from: NimrodWhat about people who work on bonus ? Where they are given a number of hours to complete a job but if the job takes longer then they are not paid for that excess time ? Are you saying that they should stop working if the job goes over the allotted time ?

Thats a totally different situation.

If you require extra hours to complete a job it becomes overtime. If you finish work early and there are other jobs you could help out with tbh you could show a bit of camaraderie, even if its not enforced. To go beyond that and say people should be allowed to bunk off whenever theyve done their bit is proposterous when there other jobs/coworkers that may need assistance.

Anyone that truly believes that to be good practice I would personally brand a workshy, clockwatching jobsworth.

Gotta disagree. Theyre employed to sort and deliver post to a set area of properties. On one day that might take 9 hours to complete but on another it may only take 4. IIRC they dont get paid OT for the additional 1 hour, they are just expected to complete their round in 8 hours.
They then have the option to go back into the sorting office and work OT doing jobs that they were not employed to do in the first place; other peopes rounds, sorting mail w/e.

Personally if someone can get their job done in 4 hours then good luck to them. If however they were employed to provide 8 hours of general service, completely any and all tasks asked of them, then I would agree that they should be expect to work for 8 hours.

They are hired to deliver mail. Regardless if they believe that "their" round is done. If they return to the depot, they should be given more work to do.

If I choose to split whatever round im given in two, and complete the first part, Im not going to go home and say well completed my load... Should be a case of they work until they are finished. Instead of giving rounds, ask them to pick up loads, and drop them off in runs. Sorted... 8 hours work, should be 8 hours work.

Wait a minute.

We used to have a 2nd post delivery remember.
So it wasnt a case of my round is done so Ill f**k off home.

Its RM own fault that they now finish early & its not as if RM are going to reintroduce 2nd post Deliveries either.

Most posties do do more than 1 round. - What they are arguing against, is that they are expected to finish all postal delieries to cover sickness/holiday, even if it means 12 hour days, for no extra pay.

Posties have already said, if it comes in, then they will do things by the book & that will be worse in the long run.

Currently a lot of postal people use their own vehicle for transport to & from their own patch. They will stop using their own vehicles & just sit around waiting for the postal mini bus to pick/drop them off.

Its not as if they are striking for change or somthing new. They are striking for somthing thats being taken away from them. Juicy pensions & overtime. Also, they are striking for eachother, because they believe it will lead to job cuts. How long will it be before great 3 people off sick/holiday & we still hit 100% efficency. Here you go, heres your P45.

Theres a days work for a fair wage & theres a hard days work for a good wage, but no f**ker will do a hard days work for a fair wage.

I do a fair days work for a good wage

 

then there.. oi bob, charley is struggling with his round, go give him a hand.

I bet charley is a lazy bastard who prob stopped off to knob mrs smith at no 49.

Quote from: EggtasticoI forgot to mention about the pension they want to change.
RM want to pay the posties their average earnings, instead of what is usually a final earnings salary.

So if they earned £35k a year when they retired, instead of paying them £35k a year, they want to cut it & pay their average earnings instead. They aint taking inflation into account, so if you started on somthing like £5k 30 years ago, then go up £1k a year for the last 30 years, that would average as £20k a year. Big difference eh?

the only thing the postman was moaning about was the hours thing.  As for the pension, if they are only going to work 4-5 hours per day, then add overtime in on top of that then an average pension seems more fair.  Theyll have spend years screwing their employer over, surely they saved some of that money they didnt earn

I worked 15 minutes today, and 1hr 15 yesterday

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7038899.stm

All over

pah!

for me anything less than 72hours a week is an easy week !

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All over

For now.  And if they go back on strike, sack the lot of them. Idle f**kers.

Stupid sods, I pay heavily I am waiting on 10 items.

example.

 This item has been paid through PayPal. Payment was sent to: graham.xxxxxxxxxx@yahoo.co.uk on 05-Oct-07.

Postage costs:   
£1.99
Sellers Standard Rate
Service to United Kingdom
Post to:   United Kingdom
Item location:   Edinburgh, United Kingdom

Im still waiting.

I emailed the seller about I havent got it yet, he reminded me of the strikes, he posted it the same day.

Phone up your postal office, some lazy b might have put it as undeliverable but not bothered to visit your house or put a card in the door.

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for me anything less than 72hours a week is an easy week !

72 hours at home ?

Im STILL waiting for stuff.  Aparrently they still have a huge backlog in Liverpool because the posties arent really working properly yet.

GAH!  Had to vent somewhere!

Quote from: BeakerIm STILL waiting for stuff.  Aparrently they still have a huge backlog in Liverpool because the posties arent really working properly yet.

GAH!  Had to vent somewhere!

If its via Liverpool, your looking at another wk now, pathetic idiots.